Dinosaurs Build a Rostock Max V2 in Alaska

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Re: Dinosaurs Build a Rostock Max V2 in Alaska

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Thanks! That's good to know that they're not corrosion resistant.

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They are reasonably corrosion resistant (Tin plate and all that), but the casing is not chemically resilient.
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Actually, they were silver plated, which was why RC racers used them (mainly for offroad racing). Onroad racers would solder their batteries directly to the speed control.
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Wow! What started as "let's try out the 713Maker effector as a platform for upgrades", through mishaps and scope creep, turned into an incredibly long haul that included:

- Switching to a 713Maker aluminum effector platform.
- Upgrading to a Duet Wifi after static discharge (to the plastic LCD case!!) damaged the RAMBo.
- Moving the 24V Power Supply and 12V converter to an external enclosure, with lots of associated wiring changes. (One step closer to actual electrical code compliance for the MeanWell PSU!)
- Installing the IR Probe from Filastruder. (Including ripping off the PEI, painting the underside black, and reattaching it.)
- Adding Berd-Air cooling.
- Throwing the SeeMeCNC Y-adapter on for experimenting.
- Using up all those extra wire runs that were done a year ago in anticipation of all these changes.

After all that, the weary dinosaurs finally get to watch the very first test print!!

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The biggest change is the absence of motor noise from the Duet upgrade. That's unbelievable! People were not joking about how much quieter it gets. The loudest part of the machine is now probably the BerdAir pump, which is pretty much a large aquarium air pump. Second is the noise of air coming out of the end of the BerdAir tube, and third is the MeanWell power supply.

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I'm glad you upgraded to the Duet, although surprised that the RAMBO succumbed to static discharge because it is better protected from abuse than any other 8-bit design I have seen.

It's a good idea to ground the stepper motor cases, because the moving rubber belts build up static charge which can arc over to the windings.

How good do you find the Berd Air? I haven't tried one yet. If you are driving it from a Duet fan output, make sure you have added a flyback diode in parallel with the Berd Air motor unless you have the 1.02 revision of the Duet.

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Thanks! I'm really happy with the Duet so far. Though I suspect there's a lot more to learn about configuring it. Stega Saurus will be working on reading the docs some more.

I'm glad the Duet connector kit included wire ferrules for the screw terminals. (3D printing has taught me to hate small screw terminals. Hate hate hate. They are never ever, ever what I want to see on a circuit board.) I wish I had a square crimp for the ferrules!

I was shocked that the RAMBo died, too. (Ouch, bad pun. I'll leave it.) I'm not sure what the ground path was, but it started from the external case of the LCD. I was wearing a wool shirt in Alaska winter, so a 1/2" arc would have been plausible for the static discharge. After replacing the LCD, the RAMBo actually still runs, I just can't reprogram it or re-flash the bootloader. That made me suspect the ground path was through an ICSP pin, since those are part of the LCD adapter, but it doesn't look like those pins are connected to anything. I might see if I can send it to SeeMeCNC to try to fix the bootloader, since I can't find anybody here who has an actual AVR programmer. I tried using an Arduino as ICSP with no luck.

I need to add grounding to the steppers still. One consequence of building up the Rostock iteratively over years is that there's a lot of Y-adapters in the wiring harnesses, so it's easy to pull one out and replace it with one that splices in extra wires for grounding. In this case, all five motors already have 12V DC fans cooling the steppers, so I'll probably use the ground line for the fan, which is on the 12V bus. Do you think I should also ground the extruder motor cases?

The Berd Air with the bigger pump moves a LOT of air on full speed, and with the little mosfet switch, responds well to PWM. With a normal unidirectional squirrel cage layer fan shroud, a PLA test print of a Bench had visible artifacts from the asymmetrical cooling. The Berd Air definitely addresses that concern, and there was plenty of room for a mount for it and the IR probe with the 713Maker effector platform. For someone like me, the minimal footprint of the Berd Air is really exciting. It broadens the range of answers to "hey, can I jam THIS combination of things onto the effector platform?" without having a big fan shroud sticking way out and bumping into the still-hypothetical printer enclosure. (And yes, the flyback diode is attached directly to the motor leads.)

Here's Stega installing the Berd Air + IR Probe mount that's currently in use. It turned out super simple! The next revision might have a little bit tighter and beefier part holding the Berd Air tube, but this has been solid for short test prints. I think an ideal solution would be to have the tube not be perfectly round so the holder can be keyed to prevent it from rotating during a print and coming into contact with the print head.

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The two criticisms I have of the Berd Air are:
- (minor complaint) Noise. With the duet-quiet motors, it's now the loudest part of the machine, but still quieter than the 1/16 microstepped motors. It's resting on a piece of packing foam right now, which helps a lot compared to having the whole case be an amplifying chamber. Maybe a nice rubber-damped mount will cut it down some more. But the machine as a whole is still quieter than before!
- Inconsistent placement of the holes. I'm actually fairly unhappy about this. One of the holes, in particular, is pointing away from the print head enough that there's a strong breeze noticeable in that direction.

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I think I'd actually be happier buying a Berd Air tube without the holes pre-drilled and sitting down with a drill press, clamps and a magnifying glass to really get the holes right. It would be fun to experiment with different aperture sizes and shapes, too, like slits instead of holes. There's plenty of air pressure to play with and the aluminum tube would let you get away a lot more than you could with a plastic printed fan shroud, both in terms of small size and being so close to the hot end and nozzle.

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Re: Dinosaurs Build a Rostock Max V2 in Alaska

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Heh, years, and I mean YEARS ago at the UAF downtown center, one of my friends sent a 1 inch spark to his titanium powerbook. The discharge shut it off! It powered back up just fine though. Don't know why, but they thought it would be a good idea to have plastic seated chairs in the computer lab. Wouldn't have been so bad if they were the ones with the metal rivets in the seats. At least then you'd discharge through your butt. We ended up installing a copper foil strip along the front edge of the benches.
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Re: Dinosaurs Build a Rostock Max V2 in Alaska

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Hi;
I have enjoyed your post and am getting ready to modify a rostock V1 to a current model. It looks like your little friends have done a good job with yours and I hope they are still working with it. Mine is watch by a Fat cat and a chicken call Miss Jem who has no toes. Of which I need to make some for her. She lost hers last winter when it dropped to sub zero and the people who where watching her let her feet get wet. Anyway a friend gave me this old Rostock and I plan to do much of what you have written about to mine.
so I might be asking you how you did it from time to time. My other printers are a Ender 3 and a tronxy x5. take care an stay worm in this weather.
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Hi cdub! Sorry for the slow response! I've gotten lazy at checking the forum.

Yes, please post questions to the forum. Even if I'm not the one to answer first, there's a community of comprehensively knowledgeable people here to help.

This Rostock 2 is still doing fantastic prints, to the point where my biggest worry about SeeMeCNC is that they sell such great products that they see less repeat business just because things keep on working.

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