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Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:41 pm
by chosenken
Hello again. So I seem to have a very nice printer over here, making some amazing looking vases. I've moved onto making complete structures now, but I am running into a serious splitting problem. It seems that some of the layers have trouble adhering to each other, so they split apart, making big gaps in the print. This is the thing I am trying to print:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:110717
Bellow are some shots of the model after it is printed, showing off the splits.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm46ycoidy5mm ... .28.07.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fkbcu3syh0uq4 ... .28.17.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t7yq6tgfcz3hr ... .28.28.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uk1ocpshh3pb1 ... .30.51.jpg
As you can see in the pics, there are a lot of splits in the object. Bellow is the printing information:
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; layer_height = 0.3
; perimeters = 4
; top_solid_layers = 2
; bottom_solid_layers = 3
; fill_density = .20
; perimeter_speed = 40
; infill_speed = 60
; travel_speed = 200
; nozzle_diameter = 0.5
; filament_diameter = 1.67
; extrusion_multiplier = 1
; perimeters extrusion width = 0.70mm
; infill extrusion width = 0.70mm
; solid infill extrusion width = 0.70mm
; top infill extrusion width = 0.70mm
; support material extrusion width = 0.70mm
; first layer extrusion width = 0.70mm
Hot End: 225C
Bed: 100C
I still need to calibrate the hot end temp. I am using one of the new J-Heads from hotends.com. Any ideas what could be causing these big splits? Temp not high enough (I think the hot end is fine, it gets quite a few bubbles, but not to much to affect the print quality), object cooling at different rates, ect? Thanks!
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:07 am
by kbob
Is that a single perimeter with no infill?
I haven't made a perfect one yet, but I've found that warmer is better. Warmer ambient temperature in the room, fewer air currents. Next time, I intend to turn my hot end temperature up a few degrees, too.
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:20 am
by September
What filament are you using? ABS/PLA?
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:07 pm
by Polygonhell
Abs is prone to do that, usually increasing the print temperature will resolve it.
Minimizing airflow during the print will also help.
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:16 pm
by jesse
PLA printed on PVA glue does not warp nearly as much as ABS.
The problem is that the ABS is bending because of the temperature difference
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:22 pm
by chosenken
It is indeed ABS, the green stuff from SeeMeCNC. I think it might be the room temp, I just don't know the best way to control it. I don't really have any extra space to do the printing, living in a condo and all. I really need to come up with some sort of cover for it. Know of any one that has come up with a good cover for the Rostock Max?
I was printing around 225c, I can try raising it to like 230 and have the fan even slower. I don't have a good shot of the internal structure, but there really isn't any space for infill, the walls are pretty thin as it is. The JHead is a .5mm head, and when I print at 1.5 times the size of the object, the walls and ramps are 7 passes thick (three walls, one line of infill).
I've thought of trying PLA, I just don't have any additional fans for the printer. Wanted to use ABS as it seemed the easiest to print with.
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:34 pm
by September
I saw somewhere... ah I think it was on tricklaser they have a plastic cover intended for use during travel, my thoughts were perhaps this could be used to help keep temperature stable by lessening draughts.
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:43 pm
by kbob
Go to an art supply store and get a big sheet of acetate and wrap it around.
Go to Home Depot and get some clear plastic painter's drop cloth.
Go to your pantry and get a trash bag.
These are not pretty, but you can find out whether a cover is going to help. If it does, then you can spend the time and money on a real solution.
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:06 am
by lordbinky
Or you could leave it in the clear plastic painter's drop cloth and make it look like your printer is in quarantine.
Re: Layers Splitting Apart
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:31 am
by geneb
Don't forget to print up some biohazard signs.
g.
