When does the Eris enter production?

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When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Windshadow » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:55 am

I see that the priced web page is up here at the SeeMeCNC store area
http://www.seemecnc.com/products/eris-d ... 1075053056

and it was shown as a prototype a year ago at the CES 2015 show... so it must be soon has any announcement been made as to when production starts?

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Jimustanguitar » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:35 pm

It's hard to say. They've been working on it for a long time (like there's been a physical prototype for more than a calendar year), but I do think they're in the home stretch now. Steve was re-cutting the molds and felt that they were the final production design, John and JJ were working on the auto-leveling and that sort of thing, and it seems like it's almost ready. I know they've unofficially projected a launch date once or twice now, maybe MRRF in March?

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby 626Pilot » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:25 pm

I might buy one of these. I will DEFINITELY buy the solid-state Z-probe, and if it works well enough, I'll buy more and use them on all my printers. A Z-probe with no moving parts, that doesn't have the problems of an IR probe, is a very good solution.

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Mac The Knife » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:01 am

Is there any "Official" updates on the Eris? I have a new bookcase at work, and the top is reserved for a 3d printer.
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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Mac The Knife » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:24 pm

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Mac The Knife » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:37 am

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Postby Eaglezsoar » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:47 am

Mac The Knife wrote:Got Milk?


I want mine in Chocolate!
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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby jjjohnson » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:29 pm

FOUND: ERIS Delta

Getting ready to print another one as soon as I get this one unstuck from the build plate.
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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Eaglezsoar » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:02 pm

jjjohnson wrote:FOUND: ERIS Delta

Getting ready to print another one as soon as I get this one unstuck from the build plate.

Could we have the STL for that and please tell us how you did the multi-color print with one extruder?
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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Mac The Knife » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:27 am

Eaglezsoar wrote:
jjjohnson wrote:FOUND: ERIS Delta

Getting ready to print another one as soon as I get this one unstuck from the build plate.

Could we have the STL for that and please tell us how you did the multi-color print with one extruder?


Multi-colors? I want to know how they did multiple materials with one extruder!
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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby PartDaddy » Sun May 01, 2016 3:01 pm

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby U.S. Water Rockets » Sun May 01, 2016 8:54 pm

What exactly is a passive heated build surface?

Will the new hotend be available as a RMAX upgrade?

Will the accelerometer probe calibration also be available for RMAX owners?

I'm hoping there's some kind of effector platform with all those goodies we can get.

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Windshadow » Sun May 01, 2016 10:26 pm

They have announced that an upgrade kit for the accelerometer probe calibrater will be sold for the RMaxV2 but no prices or shipping info has yet been released...

I have my credit card quivering in my hand ready to present it to them as soon as it is...

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Eaglezsoar » Mon May 02, 2016 3:12 am

Windshadow wrote:They have announced that an upgrade kit for the accelerometer probe calibrater will be sold for the RMaxV2 but no prices or shipping info has yet been released...

I have my credit card quivering in my hand ready to present it to them as soon as it is...


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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Mac The Knife » Mon May 02, 2016 8:18 am

PartDaddy wrote:tomorrow

Figures,,, spent 800 bucks on a set of tires this past Saturday for my Mustang. :shock:
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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby geneb » Mon May 02, 2016 9:35 am

The new hot end with the accelerometer(sp!)-based interface board will be made available as an upgrade for the Rostock MAX v1 & v2. No ETA, but I know that's what their plan is.

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby U.S. Water Rockets » Mon May 02, 2016 10:11 am

For those of you who visit the forum directly, bypassing the SeemeCNC Home Page, over the weekend, the Eris showed up on the home page for sale, but is listed as "Sold Out". If you go to the 3D printers page, you can see it as well. Clinking on the Eris brings up it's very own product page.

I like the look and some of the new designs, but the product listing lacks some technical specs that could turn away some potential customers. The nozzle size and layer height is not listed, the type of extruder is also not listed. I'm also confused about what "Passive Heated Bed" means, which sounds like the bed is not heated, but someone in marketing tried to come up with a set of words that would make people think it was, and that could be a turnoff because it sounds like a marketing spin. The technical specs don't even list the filament types it is compatible with, and the filament that it comes included with is not called out by type.

I work mostly in ABS, and would be very tempted to get an Eris for a second printer, but the telltale indicators of ABS compatibility are missing from the product description. I hope this is just an oversight. Having a smaller and more transportable Delta would be something I could really use. I've been looking forward to the Eris for quite a while now.

I hope there are review units going to people who will be able to give a better rundown of the capabilities, because it looks like an amazing little unit.

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby IMBoring25 » Mon May 02, 2016 10:32 am

You're right. It lacks a heated bed but looks like it compares favorably with other RTP PLA-only models like the Ultimaker 2 Go.

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Mac The Knife » Mon May 02, 2016 11:05 am

When I talked to Ollie last December at an event, He told me the hotend would be all metal, but still require a teflon liner. That makes me assume that it will use the same nozzles they already manufacture. And with no PEEK section to melt at temperatures over 250C. Heated bed? I'm sure someone will come out with a standalone heater control if the mini-Rambo can't do it.
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Postby U.S. Water Rockets » Mon May 02, 2016 11:14 am

I'm thinking that maybe there should be a DIY version of the Eris, so it could be modded right out of the box. Maybe just sell the chassis and mechanicals, and leave the electronics out.

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby Nylocke » Mon May 02, 2016 11:57 am

The mini rambo is as robust as the regular one, it just dropped the second extruder/hotend control and shrunk the board size. It still has a 15amp bed fuse just like the regular one. A nice thing is the LCD pins are stacked in the proper config for a direct connection to the board (no adapter required)

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby PartDaddy » Mon May 02, 2016 3:18 pm

U.S. Water Rockets wrote:What exactly is a passive heated build surface?

Will the new hotend be available as a RMAX upgrade?

Will the accelerometer probe calibration also be available for RMAX owners?

I'm hoping there's some kind of effector platform with all those goodies we can get.


So one day (a year ago), Oly said, "Ya know PDiddy, it's like passive heating the bed." And I was like, "ya, it is". The description 'passive' (or indirect) heat from the motors & electronics inside the base enclosure. It does make a difference. No glue, tape, or hair spray needed. Maybe I could describe this differently, but it is noteworthy. You could put starting g-code to home (G28) which would energize the motors and stepper driver electronics to start a temperature rise within the base. While they don't get blazing hot, the little extra heat transferred to the build platform helps things stick just a little bit better.

Yes. We're discussing this today. And we'll be machining the heat sink this week with the Eris's heat sink (the last part of the project). JJ or I will whip up an ABS fan shroud for the RMAX. At some weird hour of the day, we will sell a handful, probably this Friday.

The acceleromter probe hot end firmware changes for the RMAX and ORION will be made by John Oly and Guanu (Andy). Oly will push them on github once they work properly (two weeks). We'll make sure everyone has the info needed to succeed (and hack).

Here's a picture of things. The probing is executed by G69-towers, G68-horz radius, and G30-z height. There's a couple more pieces of information needed. You can explore our github Eris Repetier repository if you just can't wait. :)

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby geneb » Mon May 02, 2016 3:39 pm

...and the primary filament will be PLA - that's why there's no "actively" heated bed.

A properly calibrated delta can print on bare glass that's at room temperature. I've done it on Blue MAX a number of times.

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I just got off the phone with John and the new hot end DOES have a PTFE liner, but just like the "all metal" E3D v6, it stops short of the heater block. They've run it up to 300C for 8 hours with PLA cooking in it and then extruded with zero issues. \o/


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Postby U.S. Water Rockets » Mon May 02, 2016 4:26 pm

PartDaddy wrote:So one day (a year ago), Oly said, "Ya know PDiddy, it's like passive heating the bed." And I was like, "ya, it is". The description 'passive' (or indirect) heat from the motors & electronics inside the base enclosure. It does make a difference. No glue, tape, or hair spray needed. Maybe I could describe this differently, but it is noteworthy. You could put starting g-code to home (G28) which would energize the motors and stepper driver electronics to start a temperature rise within the base. While they don't get blazing hot, the little extra heat transferred to the build platform helps things stick just a little bit better.


I think the printer looks really interesting, but the choice of words for the bed heating seems a little to clever to me, and my feeling is that you might regret using that terminology if a competitor with an active heated bed wants to do a "head to head" comparison. If there's hardware support on the small Rambo and the enclosure has room inside for a heater, then I think everyone will be happy because we can add a heater later on. Unless the passive heating of the bed is cooling the electronics inside and adding a heater would lead to thermal issues inside the case.

PartDaddy wrote:Here's a picture of things. The probing is executed by G69-towers, G68-horz radius, and G30-z height. There's a couple more pieces of information needed. You can explore our github Eris Repetier repository if you just can't wait. :)


Does the probing just calibrate the towers and Z height, or does it use one of the mapping techniques that accounts for non flat build surfaces and the virtual curvature of delta printers?

PartDaddy wrote:RMAX HE280 Accelerometer Probe beginnings_PartDaddy.jpg

I like the look and compactness. Is there a specification for the connector terminals you are using? Part number, pinout, etc? I'd like to find out if there are compatible connectors available and rewire my hoot-ends so I can have compatibility.

Thanks for the update!

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Re: When does the Eris enter production?

Postby PartDaddy » Mon May 02, 2016 6:34 pm

I'm using an 8 pin mouser 1778890. These are really nice. The tiny blade of the SeeMe Screwdriver (or small jewelers screwdriver) releases the wire.

The HE280 hotend is designed go up to 280C. We will limit the firmware temp for the Eris to 245 or 250C (you can hack temps in the Arduino program). Yes, the PTFE runs to the heater block, not just the heat break, but through the heat break up to the heater block. There's a difference... it's called 'doesn't jam'. Advanced users will decide to crank up the temps, but the beginner shouldn't do this.

The mini RAMBo has a heated bed FET. Under the glass build plate of the Eris, there is a well for a 4 pin ATX connector for a heated bed. The standard Eris is non-heated and does not have a connector installed. Not trying to be clever, it is noteworthy and real, that the bed is passively heated. If you want me to call this fact something else just say. If it makes more sense, I'll change the wording. Bed the build surface temp is elevated because of the enclosure electronics. There isn't a thermal problem with the 60mm cooling fan, it just doesn't blow directly on the bed.

Just 'cause there isn't a heated bed in the standard model doesn't mean it can't do it. The HE280 will run all the filaments we sell. But like I mentioned, the Eris and maybe RMAX firmware download will throttle back the upper limit. Again, it's easy to hack for those who want to crank it up.

Probe calibrates towers (level), horz radius (tramming flat), and z height. Your build surface should be flat to begin with. Mapping doesn't make sense to me. It's neat to watch though. I've seen a finger "mapped". Lol.

It's also possible to hack an LCD by just plugging it into the mini RAMBo. I'm not advocating beginners take the machine apart. But it's just 7 screws.
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