Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby elqisqeyano » Thu May 02, 2013 5:50 pm

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cambo3d wrote:great job guys, another mod on my to do list, actually i think im gonna use this on my second build instead.

where are the files at for the 3d printed parts.

flateric what did you end up using for your magnetic mount idea?


I haven't released the files yet. I gave flateric a copy of them so he could have a sneak peak. I'm writing up a blog post for this along with some videos. I'm currently looking at sourcing some components such as carbon fiber tubes and I may put a kit together for these. I'll keep you guys posted.

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We are all anxiously awaiting for the files. I noticed you using Carbon fiber tubes from arrows. That would be a great alternative to printing the arms, then all we need are the files for the ends. Arrow carbon fibers tubes are incredibly strong, flexible and true.

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby cambo3d » Thu May 02, 2013 7:18 pm

xnaron wrote:
cambo3d wrote:great job guys, another mod on my to do list, actually i think im gonna use this on my second build instead.

where are the files at for the 3d printed parts.

flateric what did you end up using for your magnetic mount idea?


I haven't released the files yet. I gave flateric a copy of them so he could have a sneak peak. I'm writing up a blog post for this along with some videos. I'm currently looking at sourcing some components such as carbon fiber tubes and I may put a kit together for these. I'll keep you guys posted.

thanks,
Brendin



thanks brendin,

I was prototyping an aluminum mount for the magnet joints but kit would save me the trouble of making it. Let me know when these are available. A complete plug-n-play kit would be great.

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby Flateric » Fri May 03, 2013 12:24 am

Here's a few more pics of the setup.

I went with crossbow bolts for my arms. I used nylon cup'd inserts from the bulk nut and bolt bins from Home Depot. They offered exactly the same inner cup diameter and size as the prints and the out diameter also match the magnets perfectly. The magnets also match the crossbow bolt diameter perfectly.

To mount the whole works up to the arm itself I got some of the heat shrink tubing that has an adhesive inside it that liquifies when you are heat shrinking the tubes. This glued the nylon cup ontop of the magnet and the magnet to the shaft of the crossbow bolt. The entire assembly from center pivot point (the center of the ball that the boom end pivots on) to the other ends pivot point is 269mm exactly. The heat shrink tube also aligned and centered up everything nicely when I did the heating, so that was also a nice benefit.

I choose the nylon cups because I happened to notice them strickly by chance when I was there shopping today for some stainless. I don't know what they are originally intended for but I like the fact that this way I have perfect consistency throughout all my boom ends and removed my own possible "screwing the printed ones up" from the equation. A personal choice nothing more. I have used Xnaron's included printable boom ends and they also work perfectly as well.

Here are some pics of the various parts mounted up. Notes the crossbow bolt fins still intact! This is.....ummm. so that they move the air around and assist cooling, ya that's it, that's what they do! I just left them attached as a little joke really nothing more.

Some new observations I have about this mod is. You can literally crank your speed up to much higher levels than you might guess with absolutely no slop or effect on the quality of the print and surface finish. Provided of course you compensate with adjusted heat and extrusion adjustments for the higher speeds. But mechanically it's rock solid and an excellent upgrade.

Xnaron is polishing up the files and triple checking everything to be sure it is "just right" and they should be available this week or weekend I am told. But don't hesitate to get his kit he plans to offer or order up all the bits and print em yourself.

The quality in person is really stunning. I can't express how impressed you'll be with it.

Also the magnets he recommends are plenty strong enough and even with my dual hotend tests so far the carriage has no chance of coming loose even at speeds and jerks that no sane person could or ever would print at.

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby ApacheXMD » Fri May 03, 2013 1:11 am

Flateric wrote:Here's a few more pics of the setup.

I went with crossbow bolts for my arms. I used nylon cup'd inserts from the bulk nut and bolt bins from Home Depot. They offered exactly the same inner cup diameter and size as the prints and the out diameter also match the magnets perfectly. The magnets also match the crossbow bolt diameter perfectly.


Do you have pictures of just the parts you used? I'm having trouble visualizing the assembly.

Flateric wrote:Some new observations I have about this mod is. You can literally crank your speed up to much higher levels than you might guess with absolutely no slop or effect on the quality of the print and surface finish. Provided of course you compensate with adjusted heat and extrusion adjustments for the higher speeds. But mechanically it's rock solid and an excellent upgrade.


Can you be more specific regarding speeds? Are we talking 200? 300? 400mm/s?

I look forward to the big reveal of the files!

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby elqisqeyano » Fri May 03, 2013 9:26 am

Flateric wrote:Here's a few more pics of the setup.

I went with crossbow bolts for my arms. I used nylon cup'd inserts from the bulk nut and bolt bins from Home Depot. They offered exactly the same inner cup diameter and size as the prints and the out diameter also match the magnets perfectly. The magnets also match the crossbow bolt diameter perfectly.

To mount the whole works up to the arm itself I got some of the heat shrink tubing that has an adhesive inside it that liquifies when you are heat shrinking the tubes. This glued the nylon cup ontop of the magnet and the magnet to the shaft of the crossbow bolt. The entire assembly from center pivot point (the center of the ball that the boom end pivots on) to the other ends pivot point is 269mm exactly. The heat shrink tube also aligned and centered up everything nicely when I did the heating, so that was also a nice benefit.

I choose the nylon cups because I happened to notice them strickly by chance when I was there shopping today for some stainless. I don't know what they are originally intended for but I like the fact that this way I have perfect consistency throughout all my boom ends and removed my own possible "screwing the printed ones up" from the equation. A personal choice nothing more. I have used Xnaron's included printable boom ends and they also work perfectly as well.

Here are some pics of the various parts mounted up. Notes the crossbow bolt fins still intact! This is.....ummm. so that they move the air around and assist cooling, ya that's it, that's what they do! I just left them attached as a little joke really nothing more.

Some new observations I have about this mod is. You can literally crank your speed up to much higher levels than you might guess with absolutely no slop or effect on the quality of the print and surface finish. Provided of course you compensate with adjusted heat and extrusion adjustments for the higher speeds. But mechanically it's rock solid and an excellent upgrade.

Xnaron is polishing up the files and triple checking everything to be sure it is "just right" and they should be available this week or weekend I am told. But don't hesitate to get his kit he plans to offer or order up all the bits and print em yourself.

The quality in person is really stunning. I can't express how impressed you'll be with it.

Also the magnets he recommends are plenty strong enough and even with my dual hotend tests so far the carriage has no chance of coming loose even at speeds and jerks that no sane person could or ever would print at.

P1110326_sized.jpg

P1110329_sized.jpg

P1110331_sized.jpg

P1110333.JPG


Did you have to drill out a hole onto the Chrome steel balls? Or did you just JB Weld them onto the screw?

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby elqisqeyano » Fri May 03, 2013 9:47 am

Flateric wrote:Here's a few more pics of the setup.

I went with crossbow bolts for my arms. I used nylon cup'd inserts from the bulk nut and bolt bins from Home Depot. They offered exactly the same inner cup diameter and size as the prints and the out diameter also match the magnets perfectly. The magnets also match the crossbow bolt diameter perfectly.

To mount the whole works up to the arm itself I got some of the heat shrink tubing that has an adhesive inside it that liquifies when you are heat shrinking the tubes. This glued the nylon cup ontop of the magnet and the magnet to the shaft of the crossbow bolt. The entire assembly from center pivot point (the center of the ball that the boom end pivots on) to the other ends pivot point is 269mm exactly. The heat shrink tube also aligned and centered up everything nicely when I did the heating, so that was also a nice benefit.

I choose the nylon cups because I happened to notice them strickly by chance when I was there shopping today for some stainless. I don't know what they are originally intended for but I like the fact that this way I have perfect consistency throughout all my boom ends and removed my own possible "screwing the printed ones up" from the equation. A personal choice nothing more. I have used Xnaron's included printable boom ends and they also work perfectly as well.

Here are some pics of the various parts mounted up. Notes the crossbow bolt fins still intact! This is.....ummm. so that they move the air around and assist cooling, ya that's it, that's what they do! I just left them attached as a little joke really nothing more.

Some new observations I have about this mod is. You can literally crank your speed up to much higher levels than you might guess with absolutely no slop or effect on the quality of the print and surface finish. Provided of course you compensate with adjusted heat and extrusion adjustments for the higher speeds. But mechanically it's rock solid and an excellent upgrade.

Xnaron is polishing up the files and triple checking everything to be sure it is "just right" and they should be available this week or weekend I am told. But don't hesitate to get his kit he plans to offer or order up all the bits and print em yourself.

The quality in person is really stunning. I can't express how impressed you'll be with it.

Also the magnets he recommends are plenty strong enough and even with my dual hotend tests so far the carriage has no chance of coming loose even at speeds and jerks that no sane person could or ever would print at.

P1110326_sized.jpg

P1110329_sized.jpg

P1110331_sized.jpg

P1110333.JPG


Check this out Flateric...

viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1809&p=11530#p11530

This with the stock arms, imagine with these magnetic arms?

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby xnaron » Fri May 03, 2013 3:16 pm

I'm trying to gauge how many people would be interested in this kit so I can size the first batch appropriately. Let me know via PM if you want on the list.

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby xnaron » Fri May 03, 2013 3:18 pm

elqisqeyano wrote:
Did you have to drill out a hole onto the Chrome steel balls? Or did you just JB Weld them onto the screw?



Flateric welded them. My kit will use jb weld. It works very well and has held up to many hours of printing. Ultimately I would like to be able to drill a hole in the balls and glue in a 3mm stud. Drilling chrome steel is very hard. I need better carbide bits.
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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby Broose » Fri May 03, 2013 5:40 pm

Flateric wrote:Hotend was e3d with bored and polished barrel, no fan at all or cooling fan for part. Dead air with head moving through it for only cooling.

How did you bore and polish the barrel of your E3d hotend?

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Re: Xnaron Printable Magnetic u-joint option for Rostock Max

Postby elqisqeyano » Fri May 03, 2013 7:22 pm

xnaron wrote:
elqisqeyano wrote:
Did you have to drill out a hole onto the Chrome steel balls? Or did you just JB Weld them onto the screw?



Flateric welded them. My kit will use jb weld. It works very well and has held up to many hours of printing. Ultimately I would like to be able to drill a hole in the balls and glue in a 3mm stud. Drilling chrome steel is very hard. I need better carbide bits.


It's what I thought. I saw some on Ebay with tapped holes in them already but they were 1/2 inch. I will try Flateric's method and Mig weld then 4 taps strong and fast.

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