[NEW! 12Feb14] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby truenorthtrader » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:54 pm

Awesome work Geneb! I'm going over it again to make sure I've got everything right.
This manual plus the video's was priceless otherwise it would have taken forever to figure out.
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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby TheMOX » Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:46 pm

The idler bearings now have new injection molder spacers.

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They snap into the bearings and use the same screws as the original metal spacers

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby ApacheXMD » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:20 am

I just took delivery of a kit today and I received the metal spacers. Perhaps I got the last of the metal ones?

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Bill Havins » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:33 pm

I believe I have found some problems with the photos in the limit switches section of the Rostock MAX Assembly Manual. If you look at "Figure 85 - End Stop Adjustment Screw" the screw is obviously mounted to the left of midline on the Carriage U-Joint Mount (when viewed from the center of the build plate).

"Figure 92 - End Stop Switch with leads bent to clear the top" shows a limit switch with leads that have been bent so it can be mounted to the inside of the bottom right side of the idler bearing mount (when viewed from the center of the build plate).

"Figure 93 - End Stop Switch installed" shows the End Stop Adjustment Screw positioned under the Limit Switch but the Screw appears to be right of midline on the Carriage U-Joint Mount!

End Stop Switch Leads bent as shown in the Assembly Manual will not contact the End Stop Adjustment Screw when mounted to the Carriage U-Joint Mount that is presently being supplied by SeeMeCNC. I now have to try to bend my switch leads back 180 degrees and hope to dawg the things don't break off. Fritzlfracken!

This appears to be another glaring error in the Assembly Manual that needs careful review and correction (IMHO). If one takes on the task of writing an Assembly Manual, even if he or she chooses to do so as a volunteer, they must, I repeat, they must write clearly, shoot technical photographs that are clear and demonstrative of the illustrated issue, and they must check, double-check, and triple-check their work. As you can tell, I am really unhappy with what I have just encountered. I am sorry if it offends Geneb. The manual needs work.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby dbarrans » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:52 pm

You can get away with bending the switch terminals the other way *once*, if you're careful about it. I did. I would plan on ordering new switches if you do it more than once.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:15 pm

Figure 85 is indeed wrong.

What disturbs me is that if you bend the leads per Fig. 92 and install the switch per Fig. 93, why the hell would you correct the switch when it's a hell of a lot simpler to just move the screw to the other hole?

I'll take a new photo to show the "proper" position of the screw in order to prevent this issue with other refuse-to-read-ahead types. And yes, I'm being a jerk about this. By and large, folks are happy with the manual I wrote, but it's the high-horse types like you that make me just want to scream. If you're so damn good at writing manuals, why the absolute f*ck haven't you written one?

I don't mind criticism of the manual I wrote. However, what I will not tolerate is this snotty attitude that I'm beholden to lead you by the nose with things that any proper polymath could figure out with their eyes shut. 3D printer kits are about 10 feet ahead of the bleeding edge and YOU WILL GET CUT A LOT! I did a good job with what I had, based on the box of parts I got. SeeMeCNC isn't obligated to tell me about every single change they make in order for me to keep the manual up to date. Many folks have gone, "hey, this is different than mine!" and when I've had the time, I've made changes.

The documentation now lives here: https://github.com/geneb/Rostock-MAX-Docs - you're welcome to fork the project and make as many changes as you bloody well like.

If you find an error in the manual, I'd like to know about it. If you're going to whine about how I should x, y or z because it's what all the High Horse kids are doing these days, you're formally invited to See Figure One.

Oh, just FYI - I'm in no way associated with SeeMeCNC other than as a very satisfied customer. I don't speak for them, I don't represent them and I don't work for them. This means that if you go running to them yelling, "DAAAAAAD! geneb's being mean to me!", they're going to just roll their eyes at you.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Bill Havins » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:26 pm

geneb wrote:Figure 85 is indeed wrong.

What disturbs me is that if you bend the leads per Fig. 92 and install the switch per Fig. 93, why the hell would you correct the switch when it's a hell of a lot simpler to just move the screw to the other hole?



The parts that are being shipped now (those are the only ones I have seen) have one hole for the limit switch actuating screw; it's to the left of midline (when viewed from the middle of the build plate). It's not possible to put an actuating screw to the right of midline because of the screw that is there to hold the axle. The switch terminals have to be re-bent.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:54 pm

I wasn't aware of that. I'd suggest flipping the part over if the hole goes all the way through then. All mine had two holes.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby TheMakerGuy » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:57 pm

Mine also came with 1 hole and I flipped 1 over as I didn't realize I had 2 out of 3 in the proper direction. As for this particular endstop issue I happened to bend them the wrong way and had to bend them back. No real issue. I wanted to make sure I matched mine up with geneb's mounted endstop picture. The paragraph below said something to the effect that you should bend them as appropriate for your machine. This happened to be the one spot I did not read ahead. I had previously made sure to read ahead for helpful hints. I think at some point I would like to help modify the manual, perhaps add a tips section as an appendix.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:55 pm

I replaced the incorrect picture in the git version of the docs - link is now in the first post in this thread.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:32 pm

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby 2jayzman » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:01 pm

What did you use to make the counter sink holes? I don't have access to to a drill press and don't have anywhere to put one. I do have a Dremel. Might take a while, but it is what it is I guess.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby dbarrans » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:12 pm

I used a countersink bit in a cordless drill. No need for a drill press.

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Postby Bill Havins » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:34 pm

2jayzman wrote:What did you use to make the counter sink holes? I don't have access to to a drill press and don't have anywhere to put one. I do have a Dremel. Might take a while, but it is what it is I guess.


The base material is very soft. I used a countersink bit held in an adjustable file handle. I did them all by hand (...twist, twist, twist...) which gave me a lot more control of depth than one might get using an electric drill. It takes a while, but the control of depth is worth the time.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:18 am

You could also use a micro-stop. Total overkill, but it's a great excuse to buy a new tool. :D

Note that most micro-stop countersinks are 100 degrees. Standard flat head screws are 82 degrees.

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Jimustanguitar » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:14 am

What happened to page 88?

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Re: Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:50 am

*waves his hand* This isn't the page you're looking for.
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Re: [NEW! 18Jul13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby MWProtoType » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:47 pm

Great manual. I was looking at the new assembly on pgs 85 to 88 for the top mount spool and extruder and noticed there is a text section on extending the control wires but no image instructions on how to best extend the 4 control wires and run those wires through the structure to keep it out of the way. Any suggestions?

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Re: [NEW! 18Jul13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:56 pm

Sorry about that - things have been kind of insane around here and I'm finding only sporadic time to tweak the manual. If you take a look at my most recent YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/f15sim) you'll see a quick overview that I did of the current configuration of Orange Menace.

I've added the STL file for the wire guide ("wire guide post mounting clip.stl") here: http://github.com/seemecnc/RostockMax/PRINTED_ADDONS

They're sized to fit a 3/8" dowel - you'll need a length that's 26-5/8" long.

You'll also see that I'm using a retractable badge holder to support the power lines going to the hot end - I think I paid about $5 for this at my local Staples.

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Re: [NEW! 18Jul13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby itilguru » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:27 pm

Help, please! I'm trying to work on my printer today and am unable to get the PDF from GitHub (blob to big error). Also, geneb site is not responding today. Can someone please post another link to this file?

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Re: [NEW! 18Jul13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Eaglezsoar » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:51 pm

itilguru wrote:Help, please! I'm trying to work on my printer today and am unable to get the PDF from GitHub (blob to big error). Also, geneb site is not responding today. Can someone please post another link to this file?


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Re: [NEW! 18Jul13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby itilguru » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:04 pm

Eaglezsoar wrote:
itilguru wrote:Help, please! I'm trying to work on my printer today and am unable to get the PDF from GitHub (blob to big error). Also, geneb site is not responding today. Can someone please post another link to this file?


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Yes, it absolutely does! Many thanks, you've saved my Sunday evening and my sanity.

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Re: [NEW! 18Jul13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:16 pm

The site is back online, sorry!

If you want to get all the stuff on the github site, you can install git on your computer and do: git clone https://github.com/seemecnc/RostockMAX.git and it will pull everything to you.

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Re: [NEW! 23Oct13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:16 pm

*bump*
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Re: [NEW! 23Oct13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Toyguy » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:55 am

I'm reading through the manual in anticipation of placing an order later this week perhaps. I noticed a slight inconsistency:

On Page 36, it mentions the last step of base assembly to be going around and tightening the idler bearing screws. Then on Page 40, about halfway down the page, it mentions tightening these same screws after squaring the extrusions.

I was wondering which of the two spots would be better for this particular step?

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