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Re: [NEW! 15Nov13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Toyguy » Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:17 am

In my version of the Guide, this starts on page 35, just above Figure 2-40. Do the bottom first, install the shoes and then do the top.

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Re: [NEW! 15Nov13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Eaglezsoar » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:23 am

JonAdkins wrote:Hello,

I just ordered a Max kit and can hardly wait until it arrives. In the meantime I've read the documentation a couple times and did have a question.

Within the Building the Base Assembly section several times it's mentioned to only tighten the screws enough to bite into the nylon threading to make assembly of the other parts easier, this all makes sense, however, I didn't really see any section that explicitly mentions when to actually go back and do a proper tightening of all the screws. Does that come at the end of the Building the Base Assembly section just prior to Installing and Aligning the Towers?

Thanks in advance,

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This is covered on pages 35 and 36 of the manual. Actual pages, not what is displayed at the top of the reader.
Gene talks about tightening up the bottom screws and then the top. He also discusses how to tighten.
Perhaps you need to download the latest manual: http://www.geneb.org/rostock-max/Rostoc ... -Guide.pdf

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Re: [NEW! 15Nov13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Eaglezsoar » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:28 am

Toyguy wrote:In my version of the Guide, this starts on page 35, just above Figure 2-40. Do the bottom first, install the shoes and then do the top.

Sorry, I didn't see your message answering jonadkins or I would not have written my message to him. Didn't mean to step on your answer, it was hidden on page
two and I should have seen it. It's hell to get old and partly senile. (me)

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Re: [NEW! 15Nov13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby JonAdkins » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:15 am

Thanks Toyguy and Eaglezsoar for the responses, I figured I just missed it somewhere as the documentation is stellar.

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Re: [NEW! 15Nov13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby TedMilker » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:46 pm

Eaglezsoar wrote:This is covered on pages 35 and 36 of the manual. Actual pages, not what is displayed at the top of the reader.
Gene talks about tightening up the bottom screws and then the top. He also discusses how to tighten.
Perhaps you need to download the latest manual: http://www.geneb.org/rostock-max/Rostoc ... -Guide.pdf

However, going back and tightening the perpendicular to the base screws(the ones that hold the Tri-Support assemblies together) is never addressed, as far as I can find. I forgot about these until I thought I had the base completely finished and was looking it over. There are a few of these that are in some annoying spots to get a tool into after the base is assembled.

Other things to correct:

Page 27 refers to "four #4-40 socket head screws" for the RAMBo board mounts but fails to mention the length.

Suggestion:

It might be a good idea to add a suggestion to put the 4 1/4-20x1/2" button head cap screws and T-Slot nuts on before finishing assembly of the base. It's a lot easier to get these started without the Cover Brackets in place.

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Re: [NEW! 15Nov13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Toyguy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:57 pm

Good catch on those Tri-Support screws Ted. That should be mentioned. I'll have to go check mine - bet I forgot at least some of them.

The note on page 27 is really just mentioning how you'll mount the Rambo eventually, so the screw length really isn't needed there. It's detailed on page 110. All you are doing on Page 27 is getting the T-nuts installed.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Dust2Dust02 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:53 pm

I am attempting to technofy this long and a little complicated or wrong (as it applies to updated items) manual.

I have started an HTML file that shows what I think will be a far superior method. At each junction it will have an option and a picture asking, "Click on the kind of (blank) you have and proceed to that (blank) setup or configuration."

I hope you all see what I am trying to do, I will do a bit more later, just wanted to get feedback on this, maybe it can become the "new" style manual.

The benefits of this is that they (SMC) will be able to update just one portion of it at a time. Each section will be broken down. If new parts/methods become available, that section can be added as another junction, so on and so on... In this way the document as a whole does not have to change every time. It can evolve in segments just as the machine does.

I know I know that some things like a new build plate will affect multiple sections (build, calibration, etc. but hopefully you all will see how much potential this kind of manual will have.

EDIT:
UGH! ... It is erroring on the upload, that it is HTML... I will upload as a .txt . Please rename to HTML when downloaded.

What!! it is not letting me attach it as .txt either!... Sigh...

Zip?...

AHHHH!!
Test.zip
(66.94 KiB) Downloaded 60 times


This will have all Hyper links and pictures added back into it and be available on SMC website, this is simplified for the purpose of illustrating my idea. Also there can be an index at the back like they have in maintenance manuals that you can look up terms that link to Website anchors (pages).

I think Adobe Acrobat full can do something like this but I do not have the full version....
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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:19 pm

There is no "they". There is only "me". This is not a format I'm at all interested in pursuing.

From what I've been told, there will be no further major changes to the included part set. If there is, it will likely spawn a new printer design and name.

The manual is neither complicated, nor wrong. Over 1000 machines have been built between the two editions of the assembly guide and there's been enough eyes and feedback on it that I'm pretty confident there's no more outstanding errors. If there are any errors, I'm eager to hear about it so the issue can be corrected as quickly as possible.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Dust2Dust02 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:26 pm

Understood, sorry to offend. I will abandon the project.

geneb wrote:There is no "they". There is only "me". This is not a format I'm at all interested in pursuing.

From what I've been told, there will be no further major changes to the included part set. If there is, it will likely spawn a new printer design and name.

The manual is neither complicated, nor wrong. Over 1000 machines have been built between the two editions of the assembly guide and there's been enough eyes and feedback on it that I'm pretty confident there's no more outstanding errors. If there are any errors, I'm eager to hear about it so the issue can be corrected as quickly as possible.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:40 pm

I'm not offended, really. Trust me, you'd have to work really, really, really hard to offend me. Like "full time job" kind of "work hard". Even then you've only got a 50/50 shot at at. :D :D :D

If you think something needs to be clarified or an error de-errored, by all means sing out!

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby JonAdkins » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:25 am

Great job on the manual, I've almost reached the end of my build and everything has been going exceptionally well as a result of your hard work.

I did come across a discrepancy regarding the wiring of the PEEK Fan. I'm not stuck per say, but would like a bit of advice on which of the two options to follow.

On Page 141 of the current manual, Fig. 16b-4 shows the Peek wired to Fan 1, however, in Apendix B Page 216 there is the following quote:

If you're using the Repetier firmware supplied by SeeMeCNC, you can connect the PEEK fan to
the HEAT1 terminal on the RAMBo board. This output is set to turn on any time the extruder is on and
it will drive the fan 100%, which is what you want.


As you're aware it goes on to talk about using the FAN1 output if you're using custom or old firmware, however, since I'm a new builder and intend on using whatever is currently available on SeeMeCNC should I follow the Appendix information and install the fan on Heat1?

As an aside, it would be nice if there was a small portion of the manual to adding an accessory fan to cool the filament as it comes out of the hot-end. I was wondering where you would end up wiring that fan into. Should I put it into the Fan1 output and then run the “M42 P6 S255” command to turn it on when I'm doing a PLA print?

What if I wanted to add an LED ring, where would you suggesting wiring that to?

Thanks again for all of the hard work on the manual and the videos you've put up.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:13 pm

You're quite welcome Jon!

The .83 firmware that is currently shipping with the RAMBo _should_ activate the HEAT1 channel when the hot end heats up. This was done in order to make it easier for users and to not have to add the M42 command to your gcode prefix code.

That being said, it doesn't work on my RAMBo - I haven't spent the time to figure out why. If your fan doesn't start up while on HEAT1, go ahead and change it to FAN1 and add the M42 code.

The "layer" fan is connected to FAN0 and is controlled by the Fan slider in Repetier-Host. Until recently, there's been no "official" layer fan mount. A number of folks have come up with various designs that have worked to various degrees.

Recently one of the SeeMeCNC Assembly Minions (Andy) developed this: http://repables.com/r/171/ - it's a fan shroud designed to hold a 25mm squirrel cage fan. Here's what it looks like installed on Orange Menace:
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They don't appear to have those fans in their online store yet, but email them at support@seemecnc.com and I'm sure they can point you where you need to go to buy one. This fan and shroud is now being shipped installed on the new Orion printers as a default option.

The awesome thing about this fan is that it doesn't have ANY effect on the hot end temperature at all, which is a problem I've found with other layer fan shrouds. If at all possible, print the fan shroud out of ABS. You won't use it while printing with ABS, but it needs to be able to withstand ABS-like temperatures when you're printing with ABS instead of PLA.

Adding a LED ring will be problematic if you use Andy's fan shroud because it'll block access to the bottom of the effector platform, but I think that the fan shroud brings enough to the table that you'd be better off choosing a different lighting method. I've removed the LED ring from the printers I'm using his duct with.

As to lighting wiring, you can get yourself an SPST micro switch (the same one used for the power switch) and wire that directly to the power supply, either 12 or 5 volt lines depending on what the lights require. You'll want to connect the ground wire directly to the lamps/LEDs and connect the hot wire to the switch.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Eaglezsoar » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:41 pm

The Fan is available from Future Electronics at http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/Tec ... ION9925876
The cost is $11.32 plus shipping. Digikey also carries them for about a dollar more. The fan is about 1.5 cfm.
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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby JonAdkins » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:16 pm

Thanks for the replies, it's greatly appreciated.

I have one additional question regarding the software/firmware installation.

The manual has us download the Firmware from Github ( the link is currently broken btw ). When would you suggest compiling and uploading the firmware, do you do it prior to starting modification of printer settings in Repetier Host?

I found a video made by John http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4yMV18oMbw I'm assuming this is still relevant.

Thanks again for the information. I know how fidgety things can be and I want to make sure I get a clean install before I start delving into any customization's.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:29 pm

Do a git pull from here: https://github.com/seemecnc/rostockmax and that'll get you the current firmware (.83 as of the time this is being written).

Unless you find you need to make a printer_radius adjustment, you really don't need to upload the firmware to the board - it should have what's on github already.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby JonAdkins » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:49 pm

Thanks again Gene!

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby TedMilker » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:20 pm

Quick correction for typo, page 162:

printer. Don't worry, you're in good company.) moving the hot end around and seeing how it works,

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby jmpreuss » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:32 pm

geneb wrote:
They don't appear to have those fans in their online store yet, but email them at support@seemecnc.com and I'm sure they can point you where you need to go to buy one. This fan and shroud is now being shipped installed on the new Orion printers as a default option.


As an update they are now selling these fans on the website, I just got mine in the mail today.
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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby Eaglezsoar » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:25 pm

geneb wrote:Do a git pull from here: https://github.com/seemecnc/rostockmax and that'll get you the current firmware (.83 as of the time this is being written).

Unless you find you need to make a printer_radius adjustment, you really don't need to upload the firmware to the board - it should have what's on github already.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:31 am

TedMilker wrote:Quick correction for typo, page 162:

printer. Don't worry, you're in good company.) moving the hot end around and seeing how it works,


Fixed!

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:37 am

Eaglezsoar wrote:Quick, off topic question, are you the F15sim that did all the (over 100) videos on You Tube?


Yep, that's me. http://www.youtube.com/f15sim is the main channel url.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby mhackney » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:02 pm

Gene, you showed this a bit ago:

geneb wrote:...

Recently one of the SeeMeCNC Assembly Minions (Andy) developed this: http://repables.com/r/171/ - it's a fan shroud designed to hold a 25mm squirrel cage fan. Here's what it looks like installed on Orange Menace:
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...
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I have the fan and printed this shroud. Did you have to drill a hole in your effector for it or did you attach it some other way?

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Postby mhackney » Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:37 pm

I learned something new! I took my effector off in preparation to drill a hole to mount the fan & shroud and discovered that there are holes in the corners! Mine had molding flash covering most of them up so I couldn't see them with it installed. Now I have a shiny new fan and shroud!

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby geneb » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:57 am

\o/

The fan duct is EXCELLENT for printing PLA. I can run that sucker at 100% for the whole print job and the hot end temp never dips.

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Re: [NEW! 18Dec13] Rostock MAX Assembly Manual

Postby mhackney » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:02 am

Got my fan hooked up last night and started using it. Very impressive. I used to use fans on the table to cool the part since none of the effector mounted fans really worked for me. But this squirrel cage fan and shroud works really well. I did a series of tests to see if the fan affected nozzle temp. When you turn it on, it does drop the temp by a 1/2 degree or so but nothing significant and the temp comes back up very quickly on an E3D hot end. A very useful enhancement!

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